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Kyory Lau
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Nice oversold. Technical rebound anytime coming week
J
Cheng, why gaming machine tax will be lowered? I thought the tax will only be lowered after the other two casinos start operating
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cheng
the 68% is something that I learned from the article too :) the 56% tax rate on slot machines was what RWNYC proposed for the casino license and the 68% seems to be the tax rate for RWNYC VLT prior to that.
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cheng
rwnyc included a clause of most favored nation in its bid which is what J mentioned above - lowered tax to match Bally's Bronx and Metropolitan Park tax rate; estimated 4 years later
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Lim Ka Keat Daniel
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J
3 weeks revenue at around USD82 mil. by assuming the same momentum every three weeks, this will work out to USD1.4 bil per year. Assuming 70% cost and tax, yearly profit will be ~USD430 mil, which is equal to RM1.8 bil/yr. Every quarter is ~RM450 mil profit from RWNYC alone.
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Lim Ka Keat Daniel
LKT must get GenM privatise asap, then list the US operations with rwny+rwlv. After listing, debt can be pared down and Genting will not be bothered by the huge debt and finance cost in the future. Genting report card will score A every single quarter by then.
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cheng
Thanks, daniel. The data looks really good. I am comparing the before and after data. The before (VLT) data is showing avg win/VGM per day is ~ 446. The after (commercial casino) 3 weeks data showing two revenue stream (1) Slots/ETG - avg win/unit per day ranging from 1.2k to 1.5k which is ~3x higher than VLT era (2) New revenue stream - Table games ggr per week ranging from 4.9mil to 7.5mil; translating to 14% to 17% hold rate. Not too bad for a start but not at the peak yet. Catskills table games hold rate is ranging from 18% to 20%. Higher ggr (slots and table games) and lower tax rate (from VLT to commercial casino) - higher ebitda :)
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Eddy Khoo
not reflected in the share price. this is what I said manipulation by the boss for his own interests. less than a week b4 expiry of 6 months restrictions.
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Man Han
Choon伯买的云顶warrant亏到laosai, gosh
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Lim YP
Pok Kai share everyday dropping
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cheng
boss needs to sort out the 300mil bonds for Empire Resorts due by Nov'26. No official comms yet. Q2 RWNYC full casino sneak preview and Q3 will be the first real test on how much it can make/ggr especially in the month of Jul.
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cheng
New revenue stream from toll starting end of May. Q3 is still the quarter to watch for - the extent of RWS and RWLV recovery plus RWNYC growth.
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J
Discourage low value visitors from going up and spend nothing. Good riddence
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Vin Vin
seem like possible break 2 very soon
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THE ASSASSIN
With all these uncertainties, I decided not to buy GenS @ 0.59 even with the attractive 2 cents dividend. Cost cutting can backfire and bad news for gaming sector as loss of VIP market share can be significant. Safer to stay invested in banking shares in Singapore.
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cheng
I will wait for Q3 results to decide. for now, still the same personal ebitda targets for RWS and US&Bahamas segment; 800mil and 300mil respectively. RWNYC should be able to contribute 100mil by itself and 200mil from RWLV. Will exit if Q3 fails to meet the targets.
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J
By 1st June, GENT can make new attempt to takeover GENM completely. let's wait and see
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Vin Vin
Need to wait GENT fully takeover genm only got show... then list at U.s...
I already prepare 30 pcs eggs from econsafe... for this coming GENT agm
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J
haha please record and upload to fb
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J
also, the management has been renewing the share buy bank mandate for several years already without exercising the mandate. what's the point of renewing the mandate then?
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Vin Vin
Still need huge money standby for this coming project until 2030..Rwny and RWS 2.0 .. don't think short-term will recover...
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cheng
boss has to stop capex on some of the US assets and spend it on RWS, RWG, RWNYC and RWLV.
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cheng
not sure recording is allowed but dont get yourself into trouble with the eggs, Vin. Just share the atmosphere will do.
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Vin Vin
I already check with chatgbt... throwing a eggs to scammer won't cause any heavy punishment...dont worry guys..
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cheng
chillax, Vin. Focus on getting the answers that you are looking for from the bosses in the AGM.
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Vin Vin
Top revenue for RWNY
Slot and table game...total GGR around 27-28m usd per week ! not bad !
can't send link here.. can find at yahoo there .
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Vin Vin
GGR total for slot and table game...average around 27-28m usd per week...before expenses.. 1 month possible around 110m... 300-350m usd per quarter...what a wonderful figure! hope is accurate
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Man Han
Pas要废了云顶赌场。。大选要来了。。
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Philip Ooi
Vin bro, u may check all the New York Casino revenue through link below, including Catskill, Hudson Valley
https://gaming.ny.gov/revenue-reports
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cheng
its accurate, Vin. that's the one we were discussing earlier with J and Daniel. What you are seeing is not even the peak yet :) the hold rate can go higher to 18% to 20% range versus the current 3 weeks data. The change is from VLT to Slots + Table Games; two revenue streams. Do note that there are no poker tables yet and that will come in phase 2.
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J
Those are very encouraging numbers. I was worried that the current trend is moving away from gambling/smoking/drinking. Turns out, this is not the case and hopefully the momentum for RWNYC can sustain and eventually reflect onto GENT bottom line. Ultimately, I hope to see Malaysia casino operation move to a more liberal country. Then the constant fear of being closed down is removed forever, which bode well for share price
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Vin Vin
seem like rwny will overtake genting Malaysia soon... nowonder lkt keep focus on u.s
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cheng
not so fast, Vin. Maybe when it is fully completed PLUS igaming must not be approved for NYC. RWNYC + RWLV should contribute at least 300mil adjusted ebitda. We have seen latest report showing US assets contributed ~280mil.
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cheng
you can add one more question to the boss in the AGM - when is Genting going to list US assets and use the proceeds from listing to pare down the debt?
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Kim Fatt Tham
Genting AGM will be crowded hehe
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Vin Vin
next week Gent can start accumulate genm and privatise again ? I thought need after 1 year only can re-takeover genm
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cheng
its better for Gent to focus on RWS, RWLV recovery and ramp up RWNYC for now. Q3 is around the corner and they should ramp up marketing initiatives.
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J
That's true Cheng. At the same time the complete takeover of GENM is a good optics and will bode well for the share price. We ultimately wants the share price to go up regardless of what. If business good but share price is low, that's useless for us too
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cheng
It's good but how is Gent going to fund the privatisation now? I am not in favor of issuing debt for the exercise.
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J
GENT should ald have a plan to fund the takeover when initiating the attempt, while at the same time commissioning the opening of RWNYC & RWLV.
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cheng
Hopefully, J. I am just wary of mgmt's continuous debt funded capex at the expense of shareholder returns.
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J
That's a real concern Cheng. The owner plans with a generational timeline, which doesn't align with our goals. Considering the boss age, succession planning and laying the foundations for the next generation is more important to him than the share price or ratings of agencies. Those are only number on screen to him. But we depends on that for profit. This misalignment is a real concern
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J
The way I see it, I think the share price will only increase if this event benefits the boss. Now, in what scenarios do the increase of share price benefits the boss?
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Eddy Khoo
one more trading day to go b4 it enters June, Gent can acquire more than 2% outstanding shares but cant acquire above 2.35 price, world cup season in US, and not forgetting Taurx HMTM may obtain approval from UK MHRA after 24 months since the first application in June 2024.
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Vin Vin
Eddy...I think taurx not so easy to approve...if is approved....won't drag until deadline still unknown yet ..
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Lim Zi Yen
Tengok Perlis Kedah dulu boleh main lotteri kerajaan tutup anak cina banyak kedah
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Lim Zi Yen
Pahang kalah boleh PN. judi pun kena tutup.
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cheng
not easy to approve but not rejected yet, Vin. The investment in TauRx is a done deal, and it is now just a matter of when Genting will monetise it / at which price.
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cheng
the last transacted price for TauRx - TORONTO, Sept. 26, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Dundee Corporation (TSX: DC.A) (the “Company” or “Dundee”) announced today that it has sold to a private investor 8,000 of the 1,015,008 shares it holds in TauRX Pharmaceuticals Ltd. (“TauRx”) at a price of US$125 per share for proceeds to the Company of US$1,000,000. The transaction remains subject to TauRx board approval. Following the completion of the transaction Dundee will continue to hold 1,007,008 TauRx shares.
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J
Regarding Taurx, I'm surprised there are inventors who are willing to buy in now given the uncertainty around the approval of the drug. Even approval is granted, there is still uncertainty on the market uptake.
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Lim Ka Keat Daniel
Latest weekly report from RWNY shows that table game drop continue to break new high. Very positive data.
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cheng
Probably due to the nature of the company, J. Products/services related to clinical services and diagnostic tools of a biotech company. As for uptake, it's kinda a sure thing :) rationale for that is due to its oral medication instead of the other 2 approved by MHRA - intravenous infusion, expensive and adverse events/side effects.
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cheng
Thanks, Daniel. The win/unit per day for slots is really strong and table games ggr hold rate is ~15% within the last 3 weeks range. There's opportunity there as it can go up to 18% which will easily add another 1.5mil ggr. As is, the weekly ggr is ranging from 26mil to 28 mil. Avg of 27 mil per week means 1.4bil rev per year. That's really strong.
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J
This strong number can self sustain US operating costs and pave the way for complete takeover of GENM soon
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cheng
the weekly ggr data pointing to min usd170mil qtrly revenue contribution and usd34.5mil to usd52mil qtrly ebitda based on 20% to 30% range of ebitda margin. I hope the mgmt will put focus on providing the best experience and ramping up the table games as this is where the ggr and revenue can swing high and low based on the hold rate. After all, the table games tax rate is at 30% versus 56% for slots. looking forward to its potential based on Q3 performance which will be reported end of the y
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Lim Ka Keat Daniel
Latest report shows that weekly table game drop increased another 10% to $48 million, while hold rate increased 30% to $8.4 million!
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THE ASSASSIN
Short sellers already earned a fortune in this counter & GenM. From RM3+ in Q4 2025 (Takeover Offer Announcement) to RM2.2+ this week.
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John Liew
Short sellers? Fortune?
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THE ASSASSIN
Just calculate on the basis if keep buying in to average down since Genting ~ RM3+ & GenM ~ RM2.35 just 6 months ago. What is the % loss within 6 months ?
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cheng
how was the atmosphere at the Gent's AGM, Vin? Any updates on TauRx and US listing?
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Yang Yang
林巴菲特…新名字!哈哈
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lau andy kok chong
太猛了....国泰....哈哈
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Yang Yang
还没醒…美国如果下个星期加息,债务更重!哈哈…没事,云粉会出钱帮忙林巴菲特
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Yang Yang
人家巴菲特是创造价值与增长给股东,林北是降低价值让股东负担成本与损失!哈哈
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chunye low
林国泰说他是巴菲特2。。。。。。。。
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Eric Keh
他能跟人比条毛啊。公司股票跌到这样,也没有办法救回。
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Vin Vin
hi . cheng .. my fren attended AGM but I didn't ... he mentioned same as the article. gent maybe not going to buy genm anymore and won't Share buy back as well ... conclusion...
In future...need to pray guanying ma more than lkt ..
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cheng
thanks, Vin. which article is it?
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THE ASSASSIN
Genting share price is now lower (can even be lower in due course) than their previous mandatory general offer for GenM @ 2.35. We, Ikan Bilis, that hold on to the stocks or keep averaging down with high hopes have really been fully BBQ.
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Vin Vin
https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/1736959
this Cheng
the way they mentioned at agm ...almost same with this page ...
no surprise at all..
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chunye low
time to believe genting Buffett again lol.
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cheng
ooh got it. the sinchew article. There is a subtle meaning in the last 3 paragraphs, Vin. Currently, Genting integrates Genting Malaysia's finances into the group's balance sheet through a management agreement. However, with the progress of the New York project, and considering the exchange rate of approximately RM4 to 1 US dollar, New York's future performance will soon surpass that of Genting Highlands. "Since we do not have a management agreement for the New York project, once its performance surpasses that of Genting Highlands, Genting Group will no longer be able to integrate Genting Malaysia's financial statements according to guidelines, leading to very drastic changes in the entire balance sheet. Therefore, management must take action." However, he pointed out that it is fortunate that he already has less than 75% of Genting Malaysia's shares, which is a good thing. He has time to stop and rethink what can be done and has the ability to move the plan to the next stage within a year.
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cheng
basically, he is bullish on RWNYC and if RWNYC earnings surpasses RWG, it may no longer be able to consolidate the financial statements according to guidelines; probably referring to accounting and taxation.
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cheng
the rest of the article seems to be meaningless especially the BRK/Buffett comparison. Lol, no pun intended.
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Vin Vin
Cheng , let say if RWNY surpass genting malaysia... but the benefits will go to genm and not Gent right ..
genm seem like good bargain to collect since the dividend will be higher
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cheng
that's not the case, Vin. They have to do something with the RWNYC structure if RWNYC earnings surpasses GenM/RWG. Its back to spin off RWNYC from GenM and whether to list it separately or park it directly under Gent?
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Jackie Tan
重点是合规问题如果不能合拼就会影响再融资 到时候补救会比现在成本更高
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Vin Vin
The best way is to merge with genm ...let's see what happen next ..
this current price really eat dragon meat no taste
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cheng
will have to wait for Q3 results to determine RWNYC's potential. The weekly data pointing to estimate of usd150mil to usd200mil qtrly revenue for RWNYC.
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Vin Vin
genm Share price almost same with gent now ..what a shame .. last time gent during bull market ... was RM10 VS GENM RM5
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Kyory Lau
Seem like next week got chance
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cheng
Gent and Genm are probably the most hated stock :) unlikely for funds to buy GenM due to Gent holding 73.8%.
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Vin Vin
赌王父子强强联手!云顶重磅砸800亿跨界房产,柔佛科技智慧城震撼登场
another mega project at Johor...
GEnting LKT very hardworking.... everywhere seeing him around ..
RWNY...GENS..
but share price still like shxt
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Eddy Khoo
need to borrow lot of money to develop such mega project. already spending a lot for NY casino, RWS 2.0. nt forgetting many assets are being locked down and not selling.
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cheng
80bil GDV seems like a bit unrealistic :)
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Vin Vin
Cheng ..but market cap only 8.7b lol
like a joke right...
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cheng
Agreed, Vin. A GDV of 80bil spanning an area of 930 hectares is implying ~ 35mil per acre. Building castle in the sky first. Lol, no pun intended. Well, it is just launching and no completion date. Can be 10 years can be 20 years or 30 years :) I guessed they are comparing the value of Johor Tech Smart City (the land and all the planned developments) against the value of similar development in Singapore. Orange to apple comparison. Singapore's land cost itself can go up to hundreds of millions per acre.
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Lim Ka Keat Daniel
@cheng how do you interpret this part by the management?

Currently, Genting integrates Genting Malaysia's finances into the group's balance sheet through a management agreement. However, with the progress of the New York project, and considering the exchange rate of approximately RM4 to 1 US dollar, New York's future performance will soon surpass that of Genting Highlands. "Since we do not have a management agreement for the New York project, once its performance surpasses that of Genting Highlands, Genting Group will no longer be able to integrate Genting Malaysia's financial statements according to guidelines, leading to very drastic changes in the entire balance sheet. Therefore, management must take action."
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cheng
RWNYC earnings surpasses RWG is just a matter of time, Daniel. It will happen. If you look at the current weekly data, it's pointing to usd150mil to usd200mil qtrly revenue; usd600mil to 800mil per year. This is based on ~240 tables and ~2500 slots for phase 1. The full upgrades by 2030 will have ~3x the current tables and slots. Which means the yearly revenue can go up to 1.8bil to 2.4bil. Let's not forget it is based on current hold rate ~15% instead of the common hold rate of ~18%.
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cheng
The guidelines mentioned is probably related to accounting and taxation. Take action is probably related to where to "park" RWNYC. Genting Berhad owns 100% of RWLV and this model structure could be an option. Or list GenM's US assets separately. It doesn't matter which action pathway that mgmt chooses as long as it is the cheapest to execute and highest benefit in terms of paring down the debt, increasing shareholder returns instead of the owner.
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Lim Ka Keat Daniel
According to the Gent management, their intentions were never to take over GenM but just to acquire (50%+1) share. What Gent wanted to do with such arrangement? Why did it overshot till 73.8%?
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John LTL
The response was so good till shoot up to 73%++. Haha.
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cheng
Lol, John. That's a good one. 75% is the min threshold to trigger delisting thru EGM, Daniel. Possible intention is to restructure/spinoff RWNYC out from GenM upon successful delisting. Unfortunately, could not get to the min 75%
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Lim Ka Keat Daniel
Probably now Gent and GenM can form a new joint venture, thereafter inject RWLV and RWNYC into the new business entity and list it from there since Gent doesn’t intend to “privatise” GenM.
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Vin Vin
Since gent can't fully privatise genm...but if genm huge profit...will entitled to Gent as well right?
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cheng
73.8% will flow to Gent, Vin
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Vin Vin
Thx Cheng !
waiting for RWNY weekly GGR update...
This few years can't sleep well... evenight need 2 sleeping pill before sleep ..
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cheng
Wah, Vin. That seems a bit serious if your positions in Gent is causing you to be in this state. Not worth it, Vin. Please take good care of your health.
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